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  1. Well if its for the collection that makes it alright
    Who cares about anything as long as they have there piece of it
  2. Originally posted by sparko:[..]


    Is that a part of the tree you took away from the site?? Really??

    THAT makes me sick. Also knowing that the week before I visited, tons more items were there and obviously people stole them (guitar, guitar picks, vinyls), makes me SO SICK.
    This is a site to remember, to celebrate and enjoy the band, the album, their journey which all of us also led there. Not to destroy nature or steal things from other fans. They had a reason, leaving it there. It meant something to them, something huge probably. And some freak just takes it home, having a trophy on their shelf.

    NO-GO.

    If every U2 fan would have ripped a part of the tree since its death, nothing would have been left of it by the end of 2002. Who knows, maybe U2 fans were the reason, it died - because they climbed on it, ripped parts off of it or whatever. The other tree nearby is still there and beautifully living.


    When I went there, I just stood there in awe, enjoying the beautiful landscape, totally understandig why Anton picked the site (it was right before sunset). Enjoying the idea of what happened there 30 years ago. It's a place to just breathe in and follow your thoughts. Not for stealing.
    I looked at the items, enjoyed digging thru them and reading a few notes. And then put everything back in place right where it was. The only things I took were photographs and some dust from the ground on my shoes.

    And I bet they are all proud to have a part of a dead tree or someone elses memorabilia on their shelf as "proof".
    But hey, an item for your collection! Bravo!
    The piece I took wasn't attached to the tree. It was on the ground in the area. The dirt I took was around that area. No different than taking a rock from that area or a twig off the ground. No one "destroyed nature". I wrote on a rock there, just like numerous other people did, but I guess I'm a "freak" as you say.

    If you really want to look at it a different way, we're all littering the beautiful landscape by leaving our stuff "in nature". But I don't see you complaining about that.

    Get off your high horse buddy.
  4. Originally posted by phil_lebo:[..]
    The piece I took wasn't attached to the tree. It was on the ground in the area. The dirt I took was around that area. No different than taking a rock from that area or a twig off the ground. No one "destroyed nature". I wrote on a rock there, just like numerous other people did, but I guess I'm a "freak" as you say.

    If you really want to look at it a different way, we're all littering the beautiful landscape by leaving our stuff "in nature". But I don't see you complaining about that.

    Get off your high horse buddy.
    Surely not on a high horse. And most definitely not your buddy. I'm talking about everyone stealing something from that place. It is a NO-GO.
    I also saw car tracks just like 5-6m away from the tree. I have no tolerance for this.

    People steal other people's items, and surely ripping off things from the tree or take something from the desert. Writings on a stone might get washed off, still I would never do this. I have no understanding for people doing this, there is a book packed in a metal case you can write into. No need to spread graffiti. Surely the owner of the book will take it back when it's full one day and there will be a new one. That way all messages are still there.
    I would also not even take a rock from there or any other place. Just a few miles north and it would be against federal law to take the smallest piece of wood or rock or leaving graffiti somewhere; yes even the stacked and modeled rock"art" people built to the ground (which I do not fully understand why, but I respect it. I still left the "stone pictures" the way they were, though.).

    I even watched every single step I took, not hitting a plant, small animal or one of their homes digged in the ground. The same way I move in any precious landscape, not only a National Park.I don't wanna imagine about how ignorant some people walk up the field and just trample down whatever crosses their way.

    All things left there are packed in cases, that do not affect the ground because they cannot rot. They are closed, so no animal can get caught in.

    And even if you did not rip it from the tree yourself, it should have remained there. There's jsut that one dead tree "in the area" so it highly likely was a part of it. When the tree is fully rotten, it gives enough for new trees, that's the circle of life, escpecially a Joshua Tree serves many things for desert life; plants and small animals. That's the reason no ranger ever took away the tree.

    There's a reason for National Parks and the surrounding areas are as precious as these. They should be respected. It's a kindness act, that nobody yet built a fence around the area to keep U2 fans away so we can still visit. But I guess, if there would be a fence, fans would regularly rip holes in it, to get to the site.
  5. Originally posted by sparko:[..]
    Surely not on a high horse. And most definitely not your buddy. I'm talking about everyone stealing something from that place. It is a NO-GO.
    I also saw car tracks just like 5-6m away from the tree. I have no tolerance for this.

    People steal other people's items, and surely ripping off things from the tree or take something from the desert. Writings on a stone might get washed off, still I would never do this. I have no understanding for people doing this, there is a book packed in a metal case you can write into. No need to spread graffiti. Surely the owner of the book will take it back when it's full one day and there will be a new one. That way all messages are still there.
    I would also not even take a rock from there or any other place. Just a few miles north and it would be against federal law to take the smallest piece of wood or rock or leaving graffiti somewhere; yes even the stacked and modeled rock"art" people built to the ground (which I do not fully understand why, but I respect it. I still left the "stone pictures" the way they were, though.).

    I even watched every single step I took, not hitting a plant, small animal or one of their homes digged in the ground. The same way I move in any precious landscape, not only a National Park.I don't wanna imagine about how ignorant some people walk up the field and just trample down whatever crosses their way.

    All things left there are packed in cases, that do not affect the ground because they cannot rot. They are closed, so no animal can get caught in.

    And even if you did not rip it from the tree yourself, it should have remained there. There's jsut that one dead tree "in the area" so it highly likely was a part of it. When the tree is fully rotten, it gives enough for new trees, that's the circle of life, escpecially a Joshua Tree serves many things for desert life; plants and small animals. That's the reason no ranger ever took away the tree.

    There's a reason for National Parks and the surrounding areas are as precious as these. They should be respected. It's a kindness act, that nobody yet built a fence around the area to keep U2 fans away so we can still visit. But I guess, if there would be a fence, fans would regularly rip holes in it, to get to the site.
    Well I definitely didn't steal anything. I actually left a brand new t-shirt there for people to sign.
    I noticed the car tracks too and was quite surprised. I parked on the side of the road and walked the ten minutes in.
    I have to disagree with some of the other things you've said, but you know what, it's not worth arguing about. We clearly have different views, but this forum, in my mind, isn't the place to have it.
    This should be a place to celebrate a band we both and all love, so let's just keep it to that.

  9. This is my latest collectible, from the Philadelphia show.
  12. That's a beaut of a pick!