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U2 - Get Out Of Your Own Way
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Songs Of Experience (2017)
  1. I think the video basically states (to me) exactly what the song is, and the title suggests...get out of your own way- a letter to America (to be continued in American soul)

    The face of liberty's starting to crack
    She had a plan up until she got smacked in the mouth
    And it all went south
    Like freedom...

    but, as all great art, you can make your own interpretation on it's message or meaning...

    The problem with my fellow Americans is, (in my opinion - ) now more than ever, is we are drastically divided... polarized to a point that many are blind to what they don't want to accept or believe. left, right or other, they accept the medium and what others in their camp say or do. it's easier to point fingers and lay blame than it is to be accountable. Hypocrisy and apathy don't discriminate between black or white; left or right... they are opportunistic and plant their seeds where the see a crack.
  2. Originally posted by Timk68:Well it's got people thinking which is the point ?!
    So many of U2's past videos have been instantly forgettable


  3. Originally posted by BigGiRL:Anyway...

    The Get Out Of Your Own Way video may have left many of you puzzled, offended, or perhaps disappointed.

    I will write this post not so much as to express my opinion, but rather to share some observations and questions that may,
    perhaps, help to guide a discussion.

    First of all I can imagine that one of the first questions is: “what the heck is U2 trying to saying here???” Well, perhaps U2 is not so much
    “trying to say something,” but rather raising some questions. The video is not in black in white, so perhaps its meaning is also not black and white.

    It is also clear that there is some sort of political message with the images of President Trump and figures dressed as belonging to the KKK marching under a rainbow and, for instance, travelling by subway/metro/underground. And when the camera moves to an overview we see President Trump working at his desk while in the background the KKK is marching under a rainbow, isn't it just like there is a LOL revealed?

    [image]
    But there is also the image of a diversity of people holding hands and making a circle around the globe...
    Isn't that hope? Or something to strive for?

    And then there is the boy, “washed up on a beach.”
    It is an image from 2015 and back then it shocked the world. But how is the situation now? And what does it have to do with America?
    The boy was supposed to be a European problem, not? Has it been dealt with?

    My point: perhaps the video is more about questions, than about answers or statements.

    Or how we should deal with fears and disappointments...

    [image]


    And then there is the boy, “washed up on a beach.”
    It is an image from 2015 and back then it shocked the world. But how is the situation now? And what does it have to do with America?
    The boy was supposed to be a European problem, not? Has it been dealt with?

    My point: perhaps the video is more about questions, than about answers or statements.

    Or how we should deal with fears and disappointments...


    Good points here, too... which make me rethink my previous assessment. The fact that it is raising questions, is good. Could it also be a sort of narrative to the liner notes? There's a new thought...
  4. And this is relevant to GOOYOW video because it sort of legitimizes the fear people have for white pointy hooded figures? OK.

    I guess there's a point. I figure someone is going the question the factual status of this (saying perhaps that it is "fake news") but I can say already that this not really relevant to the subject at hand (GOOYOW) because it is really about the basis of fear, is it not?
  5. Originally posted by raynman009:My main complaint with the video is that it is FALSE. The KKK are NOT are not here in the US. There are no white supremacist groups constantly killing black people. There are white people who stood up to the Black Lives Matter movement. The BLM who called for cops to be killed. And about 100 innocent cops were ambushed and killed the last few years. So somehow Bono feels these white people who stood up to the BLM movement are the KKK is totally incorrect. I love him but I think he's too emotional to see the issue clearly. He's not thinking clearly. He's a typical celebrity who doesn't think rationally.


    You mist live in a dtfferent U.S,,,,
  6. The KKK ARE here and very real. And so is Antifa. Two wrongs thinking they are right.

    Only differences are one wears white and one wears black, one says it is fighting hate & violence by using and promoting it, and the other is becoming emboldened enough to shed hiding their faces...
  7. Originally posted by BigGiRL:[..]
    And this is relevant to GOOYOW video because it sort of legitimizes the fear people have for white pointy hooded figures? OK.

    I guess there's a point. I figure someone is going the question the factual status of this (saying perhaps that it is "fake news") but I can say already that this not really relevant to the subject at hand (GOOYOW) because it is really about the basis of fear, is it not?
    No, just going off topic and responding by shedding light that KKK/White Supremacy is still very relevant in the US and they are still murdering people, even doubling in 2017. My apologies, but my response had nothing to do with the song itself, but a response to the false claim about KKK/White Supremacy not being in the US and not murdering people. For the video itself, I think it's just portraying the state of the world. Simply that. People are more pissed about the KKK marching in the video than they are about them marching the streets in real life. Racists marching with torches, children washed up on beaches, walls wanting to be built, etc. There's no hidden message, just turn on the TV and you can essentially see this music video on the news.
  8. Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]
    The KKK ARE here and very real. And so is Antifa. Two wrongs thinking they are right.

    Only differences are one wears white and one wears black, one says it is fighting hate & violence by using and promoting it, and the other is becoming emboldened enough to shed hiding their faces...
    Violence is never an answer. It escalates situations and rarely brings a sensible solution. But it always makes me sad when people compare KKK/Neo-Nazis to Antifa. Antifa are autonomous anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. They expose them to their neighbors and employers, they conduct public education campaigns, they support migrants and refugees and they pressure venues to cancel white power events.

    The vast majority of anti-fascist organizing is nonviolent. But their willingness to physically defend themselves and others from white supremacist violence and preemptively shut down fascist organizing efforts before they turn deadly distinguishes them from liberal anti-racists.
  9. Originally posted by Release3:[..]
    Violence is never an answer. It escalates situations and rarely brings a sensible solution. But it always makes me sad when people compare KKK/Neo-Nazis to Antifa. Antifa are autonomous anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. They expose them to their neighbors and employers, they conduct public education campaigns, they support migrants and refugees and they pressure venues to cancel white power events.

    The vast majority of anti-fascist organizing is nonviolent. But their willingness to physically defend themselves and others from white supremacist violence and preemptively shut down fascist organizing efforts before they turn deadly distinguishes them from liberal anti-racists.
    If you say so... as an independent 3rd party watchdog, I look at things differently.

    A wolf in sheep's clothing is... a wolf.

    Hiding behind a mask is cowardly. hiding behind a mask using violence for protests is cowardly. Claiming you are anti-hate and pro-free speech and then using violence to silence events of speakers because you don't agree with them is hypocritical.

    I won't put them in the same league with the Klan, but you can't be the pot calling kettle. If they are physically defending themselves why are they hiding their identities? This is why you have "kettling" and innocent peaceful protestors getting caught in the middle.

    We'll agree to disagree here and respectfully leave it there.
  10. Apparently, Fox News has picked it up, so I guess the orange baby will tweet about it soon...
  11. Regardless of its artistic merits, the video is a statement they wanted to make, so they did it.
    They knew some of their fans would hate them for it, and they still decided that saying it it was more important than trying to stay on the safe side with everybody.

    Good for them. Regardless if it's too on the nose or whatever, it shows balls. Just for that I love it.

    About the antifa or whatever discussion, it's just whataboutism. "Don't say anything mean about x unless you also point the finger at y" is nonsense, "x" is wrong so it's great that they pointing at it.

    It's not that the kkk is roaming on the streets of USA, it's just that some of the arguments of many supporters of Trump are at least close enough to the kkk ideas that the kkk itself is very pleased with it.

    If someone identifies themselves as Trump supporters and your problem with the video is that "you support Trump but you don't agree with the kkk at all", good, the video is not attacking you in any way.

    But if your problem with the video is that "you may agree with kkk on some issues, BUT there's nothing wrong with it, and/or also the other side has issues", then yes, you should feel attacked with the video, because that's exactly the problem they are addressing with it: kkk ideas are roaming free and unashamed in everyday life since a couple of years ago.
  12. Originally posted by Bloodraven:Regardless of its artistic merits, the video is a statement they wanted to make, so they did it.
    They knew some of their fans would hate them for it, and they still decided that saying it it was more important than trying to stay on the safe side with everybody.

    Good for them. Regardless if it's too on the nose or whatever, it shows balls. Just for that I love it.

    About the antifa or whatever discussion, it's just whataboutism. "Don't say anything mean about x unless you also point the finger at y" is nonsense, "x" is wrong so it's great that they pointing at it.

    It's not that the kkk is roaming on the streets of USA, it's just that some of the arguments of many supporters of Trump are at least close enough to the kkk ideas that the kkk itself is very pleased with it.

    If someone identifies themselves as Trump supporters and your problem with the video is that "you support Trump but you don't agree with the kkk at all", good, the video is not attacking you in any way.

    But if your problem with the video is that "you may agree with kkk on some issues, BUT there's nothing wrong with it, and/or also the other side has issues", then yes, you should feel attacked with the video, because that's exactly the problem they are addressing with it: kkk ideas are roaming free and unashamed in everyday life since a couple of years ago.
    Beautifully put.