1. Originally posted by ZoopGun:[..]
    Good point, and Why U2 should give something for free if they can earn lots of money some years later? If you have a house and nobody pays what you want and you thing you deserves, so you don't sells, U2 don't need begging money at the moment, so they can play with it.

    Nobody knows the day after today, that's why people made investments,saves and etc. also that's why U2 tryed to running away from taxes, that's Why Bono was in the lists of Offshores in Panamá Papers and many other stuffs.

    Just give a look about the earns of The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elvis after their end, it was higher and higher in sales and auctions. U2 can clearly are preparing their future and their generations future with these material.

    And don't pretend we know about the future of all their children, we don't do, Adam's children for example just born, we don't know anything about them, so let's be fair.

    About Apple, welll:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-reportedly-spending-over-100-million-for-u2-album-2014-9

    How many copies they should selled to get this money? They would not be able do it

    ANyway, I think this subject is going far from where should be, so I will try to finish in here.
    I think it’s a lot less about money than you suggest. Couple of points, I would sell my house for less than I thought it was worth under the right circumstances, if it was delaying what I seen as a brighter future somewhere else then yes I would. Happiness is more important than a few thousand pounds, obviously ideally you get both but happiness outweighs money every day of the week.

    The Apple thing I don’t see the relevance. They were always going to release SOI so it wasn’t like the money forced their hand. They then released SOE a more old fashioned way and made next to no money with it. So it proves that making money isn’t really a big factor when it comes to releasing new material. Will they accept the money when they can get it? Yes under the right circumstances, but it clearly isn’t that important to them.

    I think what the band aren’t happy to do is throw significant sums of money away or gamble with large sums of their own money like they did with zoo tv. That’s where the business savvy bit comes in to play.
  2. SOI via Apple was 100% about the money. I’m pretty sure Bono made at least a passing comment along the lines of the Apple deal ensuring people got to hear it as well as us getting paid.

    The money might not matter to the band (you can only be so rich) but U2 is a company and there are lots of people wanting paid. The suits are likely filming and recording all sorts of goodies now with no intention of any of it seeing daylight until the band are unable to rake in new money by touring. It’s one big money train.
  3. Originally posted by germcevoy:SOI via Apple was 100% about the money. I’m pretty sure Bono made at least a passing comment along the lines of the Apple deal ensuring people got to hear it as well as us getting paid.

    The money might not matter to the band (you can only be so rich) but U2 is a company and there are lots of people wanting paid. The suits are likely filming and recording all sorts of goodies now with no intention of any of it seeing daylight until the band are unable to rake in new money by touring. It’s one big money train.
    Yes releasing it ‘via Apple’ was about the money but releasing SOI in general was nothing to do with money. The album was going to be released anyway, not for free, but it wasn’t a case of ‘ if Apple don’t pay us we won’t release the album’. For the time and effort it takes they wouldn’t release new material anymore if money was a big factor, I’m talking about the band members specifically. Yes for the ‘brand’ I’m sure they’ve got lots of stuff locked away that they’ll be hoping to make money off in the future. But if anything rather than the band members thinking about how much these future releases can make I actually think it will be the opposite and they’ll be trying to be as protective as possible about what can and can’t be released. The idea that the band members want stuff saved away for their future generations I just don’t buy into, their kids and grandkids will be looked after with non band related stuff like investments etc. I don’t think Bono is thinking well the grandkids can make some money of zoo tv Dublin 40 years from now, or the outtakes album.
  4. Originally posted by germcevoy:SOI via Apple was 100% about the money. I’m pretty sure Bono made at least a passing comment along the lines of the Apple deal ensuring people got to hear it as well as us getting paid.

    The money might not matter to the band (you can only be so rich) but U2 is a company and there are lots of people wanting paid. The suits are likely filming and recording all sorts of goodies now with no intention of any of it seeing daylight until the band are unable to rake in new money by touring. It’s one big money train.
    I think alarm bells went off after the poor sales of No line compared to Atomic Bomb and ALTYCLB they knew that they weren't gonna have a 10 million seller anymore or have a big hit single due to various reasons such as their age lack of airplay on mainstream radio for any band over 40 and the rise of streaming, but you're probably right the tie in with Apple was probably financially lucrative for them but the exposure they would get from releasing SOI that way was probably just as appealing .

    Back on topic it's bizzare the JT film hasn't seen the light of day yet I still think they'll release it via Cinema and then various other formats as they'll want to make recoup some financial costs from it as it would have cost a fortune to film it with all the high tech camera and crew they would have used to film it.
  5. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    Yes releasing it ‘via Apple’ was about the money but releasing SOI in general was nothing to do with money. The album was going to be released anyway, not for free, but it wasn’t a case of ‘ if Apple don’t pay us we won’t release the album’. For the time and effort it takes they wouldn’t release new material anymore if money was a big factor, I’m talking about the band members specifically. Yes for the ‘brand’ I’m sure they’ve got lots of stuff locked away that they’ll be hoping to make money off in the future. But if anything rather than the band members thinking about how much these future releases can make I actually think it will be the opposite and they’ll be trying to be as protective as possible about what can and can’t be released. The idea that the band members want stuff saved away for their future generations I just don’t buy into, their kids and grandkids will be looked after with non band related stuff like investments etc. I don’t think Bono is thinking well the grandkids can make some money of zoo tv Dublin 40 years from now, or the outtakes album.
    Oh the families are all financially secure. The stuffing of the vaults with as much goodies as possible will be for the benefit of others once the band ceases to be. They could be boosting the vaults to sell everything on in one big sale of the entire catalogue as has been the trend recently.

    Who knows though. If there’s gold in the vaults then hopefully we all get a chance to see and hear it.
  6. As much as I'd love an official JT30 release (preferably on hard copy with some badass artwork) I've seen plenty of great bootlegs from this tour so I'd rather they put out a full UF show or Lovetown,maybe New Year's gig?
  7. Originally posted by ZoopGun:[..]
    Good point, and Why U2 should give something for free if they can earn lots of money some years later? If you have a house and nobody pays what you want and you thing you deserves, so you don't sells, U2 don't need begging money at the moment, so they can play with it.

    Nobody knows the day after today, that's why people made investments,saves and etc. also that's why U2 tryed to running away from taxes, that's Why Bono was in the lists of Offshores in Panamá Papers and many other stuffs.

    Just give a look about the earns of The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elvis after their end, it was higher and higher in sales and auctions. U2 can clearly are preparing their future and their generations future with these material.

    And don't pretend we know about the future of all their children, we don't do, Adam's children for example just born, we don't know anything about them, so let's be fair.

    About Apple, welll:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-reportedly-spending-over-100-million-for-u2-album-2014-9

    How many copies they should selled to get this money? They would not be able do it

    ANyway, I think this subject is going far from where should be, so I will try to finish in here.


    Big laugh here, and I'm not trying to be mean, I promise. There is almost ZERO value holding on to music films or audio recordings. Physical media used to bring in big money, and downloads too. Now the value of a music release is going down at an exponential rate. Release them now, while the fans who care might be willing to buy them. I have never found a single person under 25 who owns a James Brown album. I'm sure there are some, but I have not met one yet. In fact, I don't know anybody under 25 who knows ANYTHING about U2. Sure, there could be a tiny bit of interest if they all died around the same time....but that would just be a tiny boost, not enough to matter.... Nobody's Grandchildren will make much money over any unreleased audio, or film, unless it has MAJOR box office potential. I promise you that JT 2017 will not make more than a Marvel Movie about someone slicing a potato. "Potato Slicer Man," anyone? The physical sales of SOI and SOE combined were less than that of NLOTH. They did not even bother to release Berlin and threw it out to the fan club. Record Store Day releases bring in a few pennies, but it's not like Edge will buy a $59 million mansion and thank everyone who bought the JT 2017 Blu Ray. They make money off of Touring, past glories, and other things. This film will be a nice gift to the fans, and that's it. I'd rather be able to buy it on Amazon or Best Buy than as a fan club gift. In other words, release what you have now, before the only few people willing to pay for it have aged to the point where they won't care, or sadly, most of us will be dead.
  8. What about James Brown? Heard of him?
  9. Originally posted by pleasegone:[..]
    before the only few people willing to pay for it have aged to the point where they won't care, or sadly, most of us will be dead.


    Ive been bringing this one up for some time… imagine sales of Stockholm ZooTV DVD around 2011 and now?! In no way U2 will be as big cash-cow as Beatles or Queen once they are dead and gone… I fear we start to lose ones potentially interested in buying faster as we are all aging … let’s be honest faster than our heroes who can afford private medical treatments etc … release more vault stuff before ones interested are eating the dirt - I would say … we know it ain’t gonna happen I feel for Anton Corbin whose U2 projects seem to be plagued (pride video one video now JT movie …)
  10. Originally posted by zbych:[..]


    Ive been bringing this one up for some time… imagine sales of Stockholm ZooTV DVD around 2011 and now?! In no way U2 will be as big cash-cow as Beatles or Queen once they are dead and gone… I fear we start to lose ones potentially interested in buying faster as we are all aging … let’s be honest faster than our heroes who can afford private medical treatments etc … release more vault stuff before ones interested are eating the dirt - I would say … we know it ain’t gonna happen I feel for Anton Corbin whose U2 projects seem to be plagued (pride video one video now JT movie …)
    I expect the band to wrap up some day and other than keeping things in print I don’t expect the vaults to be opened anyway.
  11. Originally posted by u2wanderer1:[..]
    I expect the band to wrap up some day and other than keeping things in print I don’t expect the vaults to be opened anyway.
    I'm afraid you're right.. From their perspective I kind of understand it, as a fan I'd obviously want all Edge's DAT tapes and the rest