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  1. Originally posted by popmarter:[..]
    Not as bad as when Bono does guest spots or covers and makes up his own lyrics .The version of Bad with Patti Smith on the Paris DVD is far superior to the one from the main concert and People have the power is much better than the version with the hideous EODM.
    I’m not particularly keen on Bono joining other artists as a guest and covers aren’t my thing either really. I completely disagree though about the dvd version of bad, it’s miles ahead of the Patti Smith one, not even close, I think you’d need to be a bigger Patti Smith fan than u2 fan to think otherwise. I would rather hear the EODM version of People have the power too although wouldn’t have been particularly fussed if neither version existed.
  2. It seems that you take issue with her ‘singing’ aesthetic. You like what you like. That’s ok. Fair enough. My view is that her vocal contribution was akin to an incantation and her voice suited the somber vibe of Mothers of the Disappeared which like The Joshua Tree evokes the theme of the survival of the human spirit in the face of adversity and loss. Her voice may be harsh to your ears, but it’s not there to provide harmony, but rather a counterpoint to the main vocal. Certainly not shambolic, imho.

    As for Bad, the Gloria mantra worked for me. The U2 lads seemed to like it too. Her voice is not to everyone’s taste. But it’s a bit harsh or closed to say she ruined it. Taste is the enemy of art and all that. Not all rock ‘singing’ needs to be pretty or sweet, or even be classified as singing. Many of rocks greatest singers/vocalists can’t even ‘sing’; e.g. Dylan, Waits, Cohen, Reed, John Lydon, Jarvis. There are many who’d argue even our Bono is a shouter rather than a singer.
  3. Originally posted by TheRefugee:It seems that you take issue with her ‘singing’ aesthetic. You like what you like. That’s ok. Fair enough. My view is that her vocal contribution was akin to an incantation and her voice suited the somber vibe of Mothers of the Disappeared which like The Joshua Tree evokes the theme of the survival of the human spirit in the face of adversity and loss. Her voice may be harsh to your ears, but it’s not there to provide harmony, but rather a counterpoint to the main vocal. Certainly not shambolic, imho.

    As for Bad, the Gloria mantra worked for me. The U2 lads seemed to like it too. Her voice is not to everyone’s taste. But it’s a bit harsh or closed to say she ruined it. Taste is the enemy of art and all that. Not all rock ‘singing’ needs to be pretty or sweet, or even be classified as singing. Many of rocks greatest singers/vocalists can’t even ‘sing’; e.g. Dylan, Waits, Cohen, Reed, John Lydon, Jarvis. There are many who’d argue even our Bono is a shouter rather than a singer.
    It was a combination of the way she sings and the timing of her lyrics, I’m not entirely sure if her timing was accurate, but it didn’t sound it. I really wouldn’t say she did anything less than ruin two good songs on the occasions mentioned, ruined them for me and at least a few others anyway. It’s fine though if people don’t agree. I would also have to disagree with the rocks greatest singers label you’ve gave they artists, i don’t listen to them all so I’ll only mention the ones I like the most which are Bob Dylan and Lou Reed and even though I think they are very talented song writers they are far from being great singers, it doesn’t need to be technically right for it to be good in my eyes but there needs to be something there and I think in there absolute prime the two of them could be described as no more than decent singers however the songs they wrote and the way they performed the songs are why I think they are great artists.
  4. In an any event, it will be interesting to see if some version of Bad makes it on to the I+e subscription cd. I concluded my own personal tour compilation cd with the dvd rip of the (controversial) Patti version of Bad. The fade out helped it make it in. For variety sake, I’d like to see some non Paris sources used for the subscription gift. Though I’m not too hopeful.
  5. Originally posted by TheRefugee:In an any event, it will be interesting to see if some version of Bad makes it on to the I+e subscription cd. I concluded my own personal tour compilation cd with the dvd rip of the (controversial) Patti version of Bad. The fade out helped it make it in. For variety sake, I’d like to see some non Paris sources used for the subscription gift. Though I’m not too hopeful.
    Yeah I’d also like to see the songs included being versions we’ve not previously heard from official sources. As you say a bit of variety. I love Bad so I wouldn’t complain at its inclusion but I’d prefer the likes of California or volcano to be included as it’s probably now or never for a live release for them whereas we’ve got a few versions of bad already. I’m already looking forward to getting so many recent songs based on the ones they’ve already mentioned, 11 between SOI and SOE. (That’s me making an assumption they don’t have to include the ones they mentioned i suppose).
  6. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    Yeah I’d also like to see the songs included being versions we’ve not previously heard from official sources. As you say a bit of variety. I love Bad so I wouldn’t complain at its inclusion but I’d prefer the likes of California or volcano to be included as it’s probably now or never for a live release for them whereas we’ve got a few versions of bad already. I’m already looking forward to getting so many recent songs based on the ones they’ve already mentioned, 11 between SOI and SOE. (That’s me making an assumption they don’t have to include the ones they mentioned i suppose).
    You'd think if they were planning to include a song like The Troubles that California and Volcano would be in the mix.

    I certainly hope so.
  7. Originally posted by TheRefugee:It seems that you take issue with her ‘singing’ aesthetic. You like what you like. That’s ok. Fair enough. My view is that her vocal contribution was akin to an incantation and her voice suited the somber vibe of Mothers of the Disappeared which like The Joshua Tree evokes the theme of the survival of the human spirit in the face of adversity and loss. Her voice may be harsh to your ears, but it’s not there to provide harmony, but rather a counterpoint to the main vocal. Certainly not shambolic, imho.

    As for Bad, the Gloria mantra worked for me. The U2 lads seemed to like it too. Her voice is not to everyone’s taste. But it’s a bit harsh or closed to say she ruined it. Taste is the enemy of art and all that. Not all rock ‘singing’ needs to be pretty or sweet, or even be classified as singing. Many of rocks greatest singers/vocalists can’t even ‘sing’; e.g. Dylan, Waits, Cohen, Reed, John Lydon, Jarvis. There are many who’d argue even our Bono is a shouter rather than a singer.
    Jarvis? As in Jarvis Cocker? He's got some pretty solid pipes when he chooses to use them, no?
  9. Man, they revealed the two tracks that were going to be made “available” and email us “soon” ok downloading them almost 8 fracking days ago
  10. Originally posted by Cgmorgan1986:Man, they revealed the two tracks that were going to be made “available” and email us “soon” ok downloading them almost 8 fracking days ago
    On downloading, not ok downloading
  11. It takes so long because they're still looking for a recording of Little Things from the E&I Tour.
  12. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    It was a combination of the way she sings and the timing of her lyrics, I’m not entirely sure if her timing was accurate, but it didn’t sound it. I really wouldn’t say she did anything less than ruin two good songs on the occasions mentioned, ruined them for me and at least a few others anyway. It’s fine though if people don’t agree. I would also have to disagree with the rocks greatest singers label you’ve gave they artists, i don’t listen to them all so I’ll only mention the ones I like the most which are Bob Dylan and Lou Reed and even though I think they are very talented song writers they are far from being great singers, it doesn’t need to be technically right for it to be good in my eyes but there needs to be something there and I think in there absolute prime the two of them could be described as no more than decent singers however the songs they wrote and the way they performed the songs are why I think they are great artists.
    I don't think you quite get Patti Smith. She is reveared by most rockers who are 50 to 70 as one who inspired them tremendously. I find her vocal on E bow the Letter to be one of my favorite vocals of all time.

    If you watch Dream of Life her documentary you can see she abandoned convention a long time ago. Her music isn't pallatable so it takes some work to get to that level of understanding. She has her moments, Detroit JT17, but she as an artist seems to be aspiring to something much higher than most conventional content creators.