Originally posted by dylbagz:I think while the alleged actions are very poor, there's no actual crimes committed, it's a matter of he said she said (or they said in one circumstance) and there is a lot of cancel culture and white knighting around this. Abuse of power dynamics isn't much to go off. And the infidelity issue is a non issue, win and regine have always had a weird relationship. Time warps all perspectives.
Pitchfork have been sitting on this story for months, one of the 18 year olds came out on social media nearing the start of the year. It was talked about in AF circles long ago, so they've reached out to a lot of people.
Sure it's bad. Am I condoning it? No. But I think it's a stretch to say that most people attending their show will find out or care.
It's also important to be able to separate art from the human.
Originally posted by celts84:[..]
When there’s so many people coming out to speak against him it becomes a bit more than he said she said as you put it. Yes you’re still talking about someone’s word over another but you generally find when there’s a number of allegations and questions about the persons character that there’s a reason. I hope it gets taken further and he gets punished for his crimes.
And total BS separating art from the human. Anyone who enjoys music by people that are committing horrible crimes are absolute weirdo’s in my eyes and show a complete lack of care towards the victims. If you were abused by a musician then had to listen to people praising their work or have their songs played on the radio you likely would be pretty upset about it. We shouldn’t be giving criminals any sort of platform. But unfortunately there will always be a weirdo out there who still goes out and purchases a Rolf Harris painting or listens to a Gary glitter album. I wonder what else they get up to in their spare time.
Originally posted by dylbagz:[..]
But that's the point, at this stage there are no charges, there are no crimes. He hasn't been charged. It's four women saying that six or eight years ago or however long it was, Win acted in appropriately. There's a difference between misreading a situation and sexual assault, especially considering the so called power dynamic that is driving the allegations.
Female fans see world famous indie band leader interested. They fool around, he doesn't actually care about her. Groupie feelings are hurt. Groupie feelings stay hurt that they were a play thing. Compounds over however many years.
Again, I'm not condoning or saying it wasn't inappropriate, but I think there's a lot of conclusions being drawn over something that is incredibly difficult to refute or prove one way or another.
I guess Michael Jackson who was accused of touching children doesn't get his music played anywhere right? No one watches any old Kevin Spacey movies any more right? There is still a distinction between the medium/art and the person. Or simply most people just don't actually care?